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Hello, and welcome back to the creative visibility podcast. This is Bret Shuford, your host. And let me just tell you something, if you're somebody who's really stuck, who maybe is like, I don't know how to be more consistent, I don't know how to show up more on social media. I feel like I do so many things in my life that I should be doing that I could be doing more of, and I'm just not sure where the priorities lie. I have a solution for you. It is the imposter to influencer map, if you have not downloaded is totally free. And this is how I've been able to successfully build several businesses from my own personal business with the credit visibility course. But also with Broadway husbands, we just literally hit our first five figure brand deal with a major car company and I cannot believe that it happened something I've was praying What happened 2022 And boom, it happened. And to be able to create content to get paid to create content, to be able to be a visible part of the queer community is so important to me and so important that I help other people do the same thing. So I want to help you reach the same kind of goals. Whether you want to just get more consistent at creating the content you're already making, or just feel better about it like be more authentic because God knows we see a lot of people doing it poorly. This map can guide you from imposter all the way to influencer. It's what I use and teach and it's totally yours for free. So go to creative visibility map or you can check out impostor to influencer map.com. Now today's guest is somebody who I've kind of become infatuated with. She's a tick tock star. She is an amazing improviser. We did a collaboration on Instagram reels not too long ago. It's super fun. Her name is Karen Cassidy. She is part of the Atlanta acting community but she has been so consistent at showing up on Tik Tok. And using her skills as an improviser are to grow her following that she now makes full time income doing that and teaches on the side. She's a great example of somebody who really focuses on her strengths. She just does the thing that she does well, and she does it consistently and she has been able to build something out of it. So whether you're a trained improviser or not, and we did talk about the fact that improv is great for anybody. And anytime if you've never done it, it can free you up in such beautiful ways. I'll put a link in the show notes down below for you to check out her improv classes at dad's garage. They do some online courses as well, but you're gonna really enjoy and hopefully get some freedom and some creative freedom and inspiration from today's episode. So take a listen. This is Karen Cassidy. Hi, Karen, welcome to the podcast.
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I am so glad that you invited me I'm very excited.
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I'm very excited to because we get to make a fun reels that I really was so excited when you said yes like to do that collaboration to play the cool mom's cool dad. And and I feel like the reaction was really good. I think people really enjoyed it.
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I think so too. I had so much fun doing it because I knew you obviously are hilarious, and your comedic timing is so good. But I never my wildest dreams. Imagine you doing all those fun little like the pasta and like it was just so perfect.
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Yeah, but you like you gave you did all that I just like play it off of it. You're so talented. I think it's so it's so fun to watch, you really latch on to the medium of short form video. As what to me. I mean, I see you as a trained actor. I see you as this skilled performer and you've found this way of playing this medium that feels just as just like I'm watching you live and like I just think it's really cool how you've, you've been able to use the medium. So I just congratulations.
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That is such a nice compliment. Like, seriously, that's probably one of the top ones I've received, especially coming from you. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's very, thank you so much. I really appreciate that.
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Well, so a lot of people if you don't follow Kieran, which you should because it's you're relentless with the amount of content you create, which is I think probably we'll get to that, which I think is probably one of the most inspiring things as a content creator to watch you is like how do you constantly come up? I'm sure you probably get questions like how do you keep you've seen like an endless source of inspiration. But people who don't follow you tell people like how did you get started and I'm gonna also then kind of shift into like your ability to accept this short form content medium, but let's just talk about how you got started.
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Okay, yeah, um, good question. I was asked to join Tik Tok, I was asked, but a friend recommended it to me, like, I think you do so well on it. This was pre pandemic. And I was like, no, no, no, I do not need another social media to like, you know, keep me occupied. But the pandemic hit. And as actors, I lost every single job that I had booked for the rest of the year. So I, my thing was just to keep entertaining people, because that's what I do. And that's what lifts my spirits. So I decided to join it. I did a really dumb lip sync to the Golden Girls remix. And then ever since that I was hooked. And I just kept creating content from there. I mean, any type of video you can think of, because I know a lot of people. Now I have that niche. But before I was doing anything that came off the top of my mind, and that's how it started. And then every single day since that day, I just keep trying to post.
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Well, so but previous to that. You're saying like you're working as an actor. You're Atlanta base. Correct. Have you always been Atlanta base?
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Um, Metro. I'm actually Metro now because we just moved last year, but yeah, besides college, I've always been in metro or Atlanta area.
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And as an actor in Atlanta, what was your, like major source of income and what were you doing?
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Um, well, I am a an improviser and improv teacher at dad's garage Theatre in Atlanta. That's my main place of work. But before that, or not before that, with that, before the pandemic, I was also an actor at Agathis mystery Dinner Theatre in Atlanta. And it was the longest running Dinner Theatre in Atlanta. And that was also a huge source of my income. Unfortunately, the pandemic hit it hard and it didn't survive. But I know but it's the actress has moved on and they're doing some other dinner theatre, so that's great. But now it's, it was just that freelance gigs, directing here and there coaching here and there and whatever I could get my hands on.
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And we're you. You have an agent in Atlanta. So you're,
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I did I don't need more I did years ago. But I The nice thing about dad's garage is it's such like a hub for so many different people in Atlanta as far as directors, creative directors, writers. And so the majority of the commercials voiceover gigs. Anything I got came from my connections at dad's garage.
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Oh, wow. So, to me, I think that is such a great point for anyone who's in a smaller market, not like New York or LA, I mean, New York or LA. It's all about community as well. But I feel like in a smaller market like that, like finding that community is so important.
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Yes, I couldn't think them more. I mean, that's they helped me so much where I'm at now.
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I just think it's so interesting to me to think about, listen, for me. I grew up in Southeast Texas wanting to be on Broadway. So I was like, there's just no way I could stay in Texas. I gotta get the hell out of here and go to New York in order to be successful. But for you, you grew up in this area, and you've been able to stay and be a working actor.
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Yeah, it's crazy. Because it wasn't like this. When I started it, dad. I mean, obviously, there were there was definitely theatre. There's, you know, the alliance and Aurora and all these big professional feeders. But, you know, it was just like a normal state normal city, it didn't have much until of course, that tax break came. Now every street I turn on, there's one of those huge movie signs. And so it is kind of crazy, because I had thoughts of possibly going out to like New York or Chicago for comedy. And I was talking to a good friend about it. And she was like, you're leaving a goldmine. She's like, you need to stay here not just for comedy, but for anything in the movie film TV industry. So ever since then, I've never gone anywhere else. I've just stayed in Atlanta.
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I think it's so cool. So when you started creating content on Tik Tok? Where were you making?
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Like what type of videos
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you were like I was making anything. Okay? Are you make a Oh, because I think this is like, so good for people to hear. If you're somebody who's like, I really want to get into tech talk, or I really want to get on Instagram. But I don't know my niche. Like, yes, you had no niche at that time. Correct. So what were you making?
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So I'm a very physical actor. So as far as improv goes, I'm the one that will be on stage, reacting emotionally no physically. With that being said, this is hard. This is like crazy to think but I didn't talk in my tiktoks up until almost I would say maybe even close to a year of posting. So everything I did was to music because I just wanted to portray physicality. So the thing that I caught on the most with that I had so much fun looking back. I'm like, I can't believe I did this. I did series, I did like rom coms series Making fun of them. Rom Com series 80s. Horror, a clap, like, yeah, the 90s rom com, and I would spend six to seven hours a day. I'm not even joking. That was my full time job because I had nothing else going on. And I would change out in these characters changed up these costumes. And I would have to do it exactly to the beat of the music, because I'm so obsessed with like beats. And that's me six hours. And I loved it. I loved it so much. And that's the majority of the things I did. And I did this thing called The Jazz Singer, where I would lip sync to Frank Sinatra.
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What and so, yeah, that was your full time thing because you weren't working. But were you actually making money from it at the time.
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So I didn't even know that was a thing. So that's what I want everyone to know, I started this because I just want to entertain, I just want people to laugh. That's my whole thing. And then when I found out I could make money, I was like, I'm sorry. So I didn't start making income off of this until well into maybe a year or so after I started.
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And what was been so what was the transition to that. So you're making these six to seven hour long masterpieces. And, and you're in that moment, you're thinking, I just love this, I just want to entertain, you're getting to use all of your skills, right? You're directing yourself, you're acting yourself, you're telling your own story, you're writing your own stuff, which is so cool. And I think so many people are scared to do that. Like, it's like, they almost feel guilty, like, Oh, I'm not supposed to actually enjoy what I do on a day to day basis, right? But you're actually like enjoying this with no pretence of like, I'm doing this to grow following or make money, correct? Yeah, when did that? Go ahead?
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I'll just say I didn't think I was like a brilliant writer. But I had so much fun. Just I don't know, creating things for people. Yeah. And we're,
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we're you finding an audience at the time, like, where people coming in and following you and going, Oh, my God, this is hilarious.
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Yeah, I built a pretty solid audience that, you know, they would constantly come back to my comments like I always knew who they were, which I loved. And then I will start going live. And it was always the same huge handful of people. And I would just throw on different wigs and they would in the chat put in this is the character this is your scenario. And I would just do improv with wigs online for like three hours. And I was like, Yes, I'm back to doing like that, of course, dad's garage sale, how to improv online shows. But this was like my main thing for a long time.
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So when did you find this niche? So just so everyone who's listening knows your niche? I would say is like you've fallen into this educational, parenting educational, like people who deal with educational school systems on a day to day basis, right?
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Yeah, I was sighs the rom coms and all the series, I just did what I thought was funny, or that I could relate to, or I thought other people could relate to the one night I'm like, oh, man, my mom was a teacher for almost 20 years. And I just decided to be a teacher one day on a video is like 30 seconds long. And teachers when you're talking in class, I was like, Oh, I remember that wonder if anyone else should remember this. That's when I woke up. And I'm like, I freaked out. Because video had 500,000 views in less than 12 hours. And I was kind of everyone's like, Were you excited? I was panicking because I didn't know what to do. And like, comments wouldn't stop and the alerts kept coming in. And I was like, What do I do with this? What do I do with this? And so I was like, Okay, I'll do another one. And did another one. That woman filed another one. That one went viral, viral, and I was like, so this is how people fall into leashes you give the people what they want. And the reason I liked it so much, Brett is because every one of every age, every ethnicity all around the world related to this character. And that's why I just get chills thinking about it because it just, it touched people in a way because it brought back memories and it was just so cool to see how everyone could relate to
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it. I love that you you observed you panic. Yeah, let's all just acknowledge that. You panic. It's, it is so normal to start to go holy shit people are seeing me and that is a little bit scary. So, for you, I mean, I think part of the, one of the most important things to know is that you you have training and you have experience and you you were doing this before Tik Tok even existed. So for I think a lot of people who, who want to start creating content or who wants to do entertaining content, even, they got to understand that, yep, you got to have some skill set in there, even if it's small, like, even if you just like, but I think that that's the thing that some people just forget, like, you've been doing this for a really long time as a as a performer. So you were able to transition that, but then I lost. Also really love it. You said that? It felt like you were connecting to people. It was like relating to people. And then that's why you continue to do it. That's why you love it.
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Yes, exactly. Yeah. And, and I love doing it. And I yeah, I love how everyone could relate to it was really nice.
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But you're not a teacher. I'm not a teacher.
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And to this day, I have so many followers that still think I'm a teacher, but I'm not. I'm not at all. I just I observe and yeah, I've been acting for a while. So I'm honoured when people think I'm a teacher.
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Well, it's very convincing. And I I do think that there the some of this kind of leads to what I was saying earlier. So how in the world, do you come up with the amount of ideas and content? And does it still take you six to seven hours to make it?
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Oh my gosh, okay. So no, no, I don't think I could do that anymore. So this is the greatest thing about it. This is how improv why I think improv is just so important. It's such an amazing skill to have. And I'm not boasting about myself. I'm saying I just think everyone should take some Imprivata to Yeah, yeah. It's amazing.
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No matter who you are, it just, it frees you up on a day to day basis to be able to rely on your impulses in such a straight it's such a strong way, you know,
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yep, think on your feet really quickly. So I would just start getting tonnes and tonnes of suggestions because everyone's like, Oh my gosh, to the teacher that when they leave class, and the classes alone are oh my gosh to the teacher but and so I just had started getting a massive list of suggestions and an improv, that's what you do. You take a suggestion, and then you run with it. And so it took a suggestion, I never wrote anything down. I just would turn the camera on. And I would just improvise for like five minutes, and then cut it, edit it and post it and it would with my improv and edit, it would take probably 30 to 45 minutes for a video.
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Yeah. And you're still to this day following that same process.
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Yes, yes. I'm now I'm trying to branch out a little bit more of different characters, but I know the teacher and education is what everyone
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will want. Are you still editing your own videos, too? Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. And I use different apps now to edit. And yeah, and I do my own captions still, which takes some time, but I know it's really helpful.
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Yeah, and we had a whole thing with the green screen. Oh, my God made work. So talking about monetization for a little bit, like, where and when did you start to realise okay, I can actually pay myself through this process. And then and, and what is that process for you now? Are you seeking out brands? Are they coming to you? What is Yeah, so what's that process for you?
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Well, I started getting my monetization on Tik Tok. Gosh, I guess in 2021, and, you know, this is a whole nother like podcast episode, but it started off really big, but because so many people have gotten on Tik Tok. The money you get now with very minimal pool of money stays the same. But still, regardless, very thankful for anything I get that started. And then ad started reaching out to me, the first one I had was a big candy bar company. And let's just say that, and this is so funny, because I didn't know at doing ads was a thing, or I thought, There's no way I would ever get to that point. They reached out to me and they're like, what's your rate? And I was, I had no idea. I had to be in charge of that. And I know you're thinking we've been an actor for this many years. I've always had a problem of putting a worth on myself because I'm like, right? To do.
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Well, all actors do. Right? We all are like I just so grateful to get to work. I just want to do what I love, you know? And then this is the this is the curse of so many actors is we get under we undervalue what we're doing. And that's also that's a whole nother whole nother episode. That's also a reflection of how society treats the arts. But
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yeah, continue. And that is so right. That's so true. So because of that, I was like, I'm going to charge this massive candy bar company $150 it'll be that. I'm like, I'm so scared of what they're gonna say. And then they're gonna be like, yeah, that's, that's fine.
20:08
How many followers did you have at the time?
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Oh, on tick tock, maybe close to 40 or $50,000.
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Yeah, exactly. They're like, great.
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Yeah. But like, there's no problem. And so then I was I felt awkward when I was like, this is a big company. And I reached out to one of my friends that I became friends with on Tik Tok, who also started getting a lot of ads. And they were like, No, you should be charging at least this amount. And I don't want to say it. But it was way more than what I was expecting. I was blown away, because I'm like, it's just me. He's like, Yeah, but think about it. You're creating this, you're directing it, you're editing it, you're acting in it, you're doing all of the work. And I'm like, oh, okay, I guess that is a good point. So instead of paying people to do big commercials, they know everyone's on social media. Now, they're like, this is our commercial. So they could be paying a high rate, and I'm charging $150. Right. So that was the moment I went back. And I was like, actually, I'm going to, I'm gonna charge this. And it was a little thing, because I like that said a lot more than you originally said. But basically, I was like, Yeah, but I learned a lot and for the last 24 hours, so
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they were cool with that. They were like, great, no problem.
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They made me in the middle grade, they said, well, let's see this is but still, it was way more than I expected. So from that point on, I started getting a few more ads. And then at the beginning of this year, I signed with a social media agency, great friend had and I reached out and I said, How does this work? I would love to get involved. And then he reconnected us. And they, of course, you know, will fight for you even more. And they're like, this is what she's worth. And I was like, no way any brand is gonna accept that. And they're like, Okay, no problem. That's when I knew Oh, my gosh, they know where they know, I knew they knew I was green. And they I'm sorry, I'm not trying to talk bad about it. But no, let's
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talk about it. Because I think it's helpful to know, for anyone who wants to go into into this influencer space right now, right into this content creation space, you need to know what's out there. And I think that's something sag is trying to sort of get on board with they're trying to Unionise the influencer content space because of this exact issue. Right, which is they target people who are making great content, and then say, and then try to under cut their costs. And it's super important to stand in your, in your in your values.
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Yes, yeah. And, and, you know, like I had a friend told me the other day, cuz he's really big into works in film stuff. He's like, there are millions more people now invested in Tik Tok and YouTube shorts and Instagram than like Netflix and Hulu shows. And that blew my mind. And of course, Netflix and Hulu shows do really well, but you know what I mean? Yeah, most people are spending time now just scrolling through videos. So companies are willing to put that amount of money into an influencer for an ad. So yeah, that's the thing is know your worth. And it's so hard. But
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well, also, I think what's really great is like if you're if you're struggling with that piece of the puzzle, get an agent get somebody who will do it for you. Because then yes, you don't need to try to figure all that out someone else who's who already understands that part of the business can do for you. And to me, it's worth paying a commission for for some of these rates.
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Oh, yes. Because at first I was like, oh, man, but then when I saw what they're charging, I was like, take on anyone, Jeff. Yeah, getting an agent really, really helped me understand like, Oh, I am worth it. I am doing a lot of work for this company.
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Yeah. How do you stay motivated? Like how do you keep making because you what's your goal, you release a video a day, or more than one video a day, two videos a day at this point,
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used to be one a day, which i i would love to get to that point again. But with my other full time acting and improv coming back in which I'm grateful for cash now I'm thankful if I can get two to three new videos a week. Wow. But I ideally would love to put out at least a video Monday through Friday, every day.
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And when are you batching? Now are you just like, how do you because that's another piece of the puzzle for people, right? They don't know how to get consistent. When they have those bad days are the days where they're just don't feel like being in front of a camera or they're exhausted or they have a baby crying? How do you push through and honour that commitment to your to your audience into yourself?
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Well, and just to be totally candid, I definitely like I don't know if you've noticed on my social media lately, I've kind of taken a bit of a hiatus because I was getting burnt out and I was getting to the point where I was getting unmotivated. And I hate saying that. But it's the truth because you're posting every day for what, two, almost three years now. And so I think what I needed to do was I needed to take a mental break, because you get so bogged down with, which is a whole nother episode again, but he is so bogged down with the likes the followers, the shares, you're not getting enough what's happening, Oh, this one's got a lot, I worked so hard on this one, this one almost got nothing, and you start comparing and it it just becomes a really vicious cycle. And so I had to take a break mentally. And I think that's what can help motivation. When I took that break, I took a tiny little vacation, I'm going outside going to stores, I start getting motivated again, because I'm seeing stuff happen. I'm seeing characters. So that's when I start jotting things down. And then I just have this like the spark is getting reignited. So when I have those days of okay, now I have all these ideas. If I have just a few hours, I'll just throw some weights in here. And for a few hours, I'll like film three or four videos. And then that can be my my batch for that next week. That's some films. It'll be one day I film for the whole week, which is kind of what I would like to do. Yeah. Did that answer your question?
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No, it does. I think it's super important for people to hear like because because from the outside, it can very easily look like Wow, she's just an endless well of creativity. And some people listening might look at your stuff and go, I could never do that I could never have come up with that much stuff. It's like, what she's not doing it all, you know, you're not doing it all on one day. You know, and it's all when the timing is right. But I think that I also think there's something really cool too. And then wonder the benefits besides the monetization, right? Are you noticing opportunities coming your way as an actor more? Are you getting offers? Are you noticing people that you never thought would notice you coming to you and saying, Hey, like, you're awesome, I'd love to audition you or I'd love to work with you or anything like that.
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Um, I I have noticed since I started getting more successful on my social media, that I was getting more people reaching out to me in the Atlanta area, asking me to audition. Not like a huge amount, but more than before. So I was just getting more people being like, hey, having an independent film, or someone, hey, I have a product of deodorant and what you auditioned for. And that's what's so nice is because besides a social media agent, I represent myself. So it's just nice that this social media thing is kind of helped me get out there more and be seen. And that was not my intention. But you know, as an actor, I'll take it.
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How is it? I hear a lot of actors, artists, pretty much anybody who's in some sort of freelance artistic fields, right? They say, Oh, I gotta be better about my social media, which always feels a little vague. It's like, what does that mean? Right? Because like, What do you mean, your social media, there's so many platforms, there's so many opportunities, and I think that could be part of the issue for so many people in our community is that there's almost too much to choose from, and then that lack of structure makes it really hard for them to go, that's what I'll do. Right, right. Like maybe I'll do a YouTube maybe I'll do Instagram reels. Maybe I'll do tic tock. What do you say because you work with actors, even in the improv world in a dad's garage, which we'll put a link to dad's garage down here. So anyway, the Atlanta area wants to check it out. And they do online courses too, right?
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Um, we are going to start doing that again. Not yet. But we are going to
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great. So that'll be down below. Yes. So how do you as somebody who's been now on the other side of successfully navigating social media as an actor? How do you help those actors who are maybe feeling pressure that they're supposed to do the same?
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Oh, like put yourself out there on social? Yeah, I mean, and stuff. That's funny because we recently had a workshop where I helped run it, trying to inspire improvisers to start their own tiktoks or, and so for me, it's just anything that you think is funny in your head because a lot of the videos I posted are is weird humour, but that's what I thought was funny. The audience will find you, I think, just use it as like a portfolio use it as a journal just people I think maybe compare themselves to YouTubers, and it has to be perfect quality and it has to be, you know, the lighting and it has to take two days to film. Of course, you want good quality, but every phone now pretty much has. That's all I use in my phone. I say it's just just do it, because the audience will find you. And at the end of the day, you're just doing what you love and you're just having fun doing it. You're not and then if something comes out of that even better.
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Yeah, I think I think that's so important to just to Help people like, like, Who do you follow? I'm very curious. Karen like, oh, who are the people you love on social media to follow? Yeah, let's just ask that question. Yeah.
30:12
So, um, I guess you know, the FYP. The algorithm just knows, like the people that you attract to. So it's all improvisers from like, either LA or New York. Not that I meant to do that. But that's just what I found out. Caitlin and Riley.
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Okay. Is the best. Oh, good. I love her. I just love her. Everything she does.
30:36
Yeah. Amazing. She's so good. So her and her Wasp mom is hilarious. Oh
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my gosh. Yeah. It's so good. It's so good.
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DREW. Oh, my gosh. He's the one that does all the waiter stuff. And the restaurant.
30:52
Oh, yeah. He's hilarious. He
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went and he's also an improviser at UCB and his character, even though he stuck with just the restaurant. His characters are so diverse. And they're so amazing. Michael Burke.
31:07
Oh, I love Michael bird. Yeah.
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Aaron Goldie boy. And then actress Beck she's really funny. And over the moon recently, she the I don't know if you've seen her stuff. But she's a huge tick tock person that does just millennials and like, remember back in seventh grade, and it's so spot on. So it's just like, magic and Millennial stuff.
31:34
Do you follow Benny drama?
31:36
Oh, yeah. I just watched recently the other day, like the 10th time the hairdresser one
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had been Oh my god. So funny. Did you see his Did you see his new character, the real estate agent? What's your name? It's like, Prudence. I can't remember. It's so funny. Like, she does like she does like grape vines as she walks
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me, he's incredible.
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I want to be him in another life. I just love him so much. I so I love that I love that you your honour. So that's really interesting to to say to people, like, I do a lot of lip sync. That's most of the short form content I do. The lip sync stuff is really fun and easy for me. And I like to I like to twist it like I like to take it and like, spin it. And maybe Yeah, but maybe there's something like, also kind of lazy about that on my end. Like, you know, it's very easy to hide behind somebody else's audio and you're seeing I think a trend especially on Instagram, they're saying now, original content is going to get a higher priority on Instagram. But meaning original audios, who knows that that's true, or how they can actually measure that. But I think it's super cool to see like you're these people you're mentioning are people who are doing this improv work. They're coming up with their own characters or telling stories. And it's all stuff that we all can we can see it. We know the people like we know the teacher, we know we know that Wasp mom, we've seen them at the grocery store or at the theme park or at the
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that's what's going on. It's all people. Yeah, you know, or that someone in your life? It's just relatable.
33:34
Yeah, I think it's really important to know, like, that is really what social media should be about is about creating something that people can relate to, when you do that people feel connected? And does does that help you feel connected to?
33:48
Oh, 100%? Um, yeah, I love doing content. And that's really, I mean, I've done a few sketches with some friends that are so abstract, kind of more Adult Swim s, I either want to do something extremely relatable or so out there, that you're like, I can't relate at all. That's why I love this. No, I think because it just builds this like emotional connection. Even, you know, as we know, laughter is so important. And I just get so many messages and this is not to again boast about myself but just how people relate to it on such a level that it's it's helped them or made them remember something or it's gotten them through a really tough year. And so just being able to create something so relatable that can connect with people on a personal level is just it's kind of blown my mind it's become more than just let me just do some funny videos. It's I don't know how to say it. It's just become a lot more than that now.
34:49
I love that. And I think that you should play the teacher and every single TV. Every everything if anyone needs a teacher. Oh my god, a teacher. principle a cool mom. Like, you just you should be in everything. It's like you're, you just nail it. And
35:09
I feel the same about you, but I know you're not gonna.
35:13
I just feel like we're friends and we've never met in person. And it just makes me so happy. That's the thing I love about the internet. Yes, I agree. So I will put links to Karen, I'll put links down below in the show notes for all your platforms tick tock, Instagram, and dad's garage. I'll include a link down there too. So if people want to check out some of your classes there anything else you want to leave people with? Before we sign off?
35:41
Well, first off, I'm honoured that you asked me. I love you, Brett. And I love your content. And I'm inspired by how often you post and how much you interact with your audience. But other than that, if any followers you're listening, thank you for everything. I wouldn't be here without you. And I hope to continue to make fun, hilarious political content.
36:04
I have no doubt you will. Oh, thank you, Karen. Thank you, Brad.
